Guildleader Chores - Current guild dynamics and why being underhand never works!

The other day I went to do a Heroic SoO late as a PuG with Tribo, a guild on Blackrock who are 14/14H. Their GM is my friend and I often listen late at night to their raids and watch their Twitch stream as they fight to get ideas on how to do things.  This Flexible and cross server raiding thing is a great thing, and will always be one of the highlights of Mists of Pandaria.  These guys raid after my raid finishes so if I can start playing after everyone has gone to bed and I'm having one of my low sleep days.

They were on a bunch of alts whereas I was on my main and one of the paladins whispered me and said "Long time no chat, Navimie." I looked at his name and tried to remember him - the name was vaguely familiar but nothing was clicking in my memory.  On closer inspection I realised that he was unguilded and he was also from Saurfang - and then the ball dropped.  This guy was one of the paladins I had been trying to recruit months ago but he hadn't taken up my offer.  One thing I do remember was I was chatting to him whilst he stood in Orgrimmar but he didn't reply me - it turned out his wife was on his toon and doing his dailies for him which is why she wasn't answering.

So I chatted with him a bit - my friend was apparently very keen for him to join Tribo - and I was surprised because he was Australian East Coast and Tribo raids at REALLY late times, as they raid Perth/Singapore times. I said to him they were a great guild and he should join and he said that he would rather stay on Saurfang if possible, and I thought well, he could come to us if he liked, but I would feel bad for my friends - I don't want them to think I took their healer!  I told Tribo's GM that I knew this guy and he seemed pleasant enough as I had tried to recruit him some months ago. She was pleased to hear that.

As we healed through SoO I thought his healing was decent and when he asked me if I needed a healer, I said honestly, yes, I did. And I went through "the talk" as we raided, and he seemed to be reasonable, as I had suspected before.  I told him that he was welcome to join, if our times were better, but to make sure he said something to Tribo first that he was coming to Frostwolves because the last thing I need is their GM to think I stole him - though it IS exactly what I did.  I invited him at the end of their raid and I invited his Mrs to the guild as well and I told him to turn up on Monday for Mythic raid because I was short of healers for Iron Juggernaut.

Monday rolled around and I'd seen him online during the day so I was suprised he wasn't online for raid. We managed to muddle through without him but I was a bit irritated.  I had specifically asked him to be online for mythic raiding!  His wife logged on and I asked her where he was and she said he was online.  I went through the guild list and realised that he wasn't on the server anymore...

"Did he leave the guild? I can't see his name..." I said to her.

"One moment let me ask him," she replied.  She returned shortly after to say that he transferred over to Blackrock because they offered him gold!  I laughed.  Oh well, at least it happened before I started relying on him!  But that probably serves me right - I should not try to take things which were going to be taken by others!  Lesson learned!  Even Luxy said to me "What did you expect Navi!  You stole him from another guild, someone like that would be easy to steal away, don't you think?"  And she's right :P  Though, I think his Mrs will stay with us - and that's totally fine, she seems rather feisty and fun.

Guild seems to be rather settled to me, lately.  There were a few farewells - Shiz, Voros and Glow left the other week to go back to Alliance as their old guildies had returned.  I shall still see them on battletag so it's not really good bye, though I shall miss them!  The Caelestrasz guys have settled in well, chatting to everyone, and I don't see any huge cliques or alienisations happening.  Of course everyone has their groups of friends within the guild they prefer to hang around with - I would never expect anyone to make effort to group or chat to EVERYONE in the guild, that's MY job - but what I worried about most was people thinking they were too good to speak to others.  I haven't seen that at all, so far (or perhaps people are just well behaved when I log on).  Speaking of new recruits, I was very happy when when three ex-Scion members joined - after all that asking and eventually resigned to the fact they weren't coming they turned up when I least expected.  Duck, who is good friends with Alca, joined the guild a week or two ago and between him and Alca they convinced Una to come along as well. I've been taking Una and Alca to Mythic raids and I think that's kept them interested for now. All three of them have told me they want to be casual raiders, and that suits me just fine.  However, Drauka and Ravz are both missing - only Haevela is around regularly and I saw Daeneirys pop online for Hallow's End stuff in the last few days.  And speaking of returning, Falln has rejoined the guild on his warrior - adds another raider to the midst.  Falln said he wanted something a bit more casual so we shall see!  Brahski has yet to turn up to a raid - I am still skeptical about him being here, but he assures me he wants to be here.  I find it difficult to believe these ex-hardcore 14/14H people want to be in a guild like Frostwolves.  

There are couple of socials that I think would benefit from coming to some heroic SoO and hopefully I will be able to dig them up during the week (coughs at Bio and Thohand). I hope everyone can get an heirloom to go into WoD with!

However, what I said a few months ago has come to bite me in the backside.  I had too many healers a few months ago - and now I seem to have a huge paucity of them.  Initially I thought I had me, Morz, Koda, Amayeti, Asys, Ravz, Glow, Daeneirys, Tensai - that seemed like a lot! But Asys left the guild to go to Blackrock, Glow went back to Alliance, Ravz is on a break, Dae is social only and Ama has not been online yet.  Tensai likes playing his alts and he also has classes till late.  Looks like Luxy may have to heal in WoD after all...


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  1. If we need healers Navi I can always learn how to heal on any of my toons, preferably my Druid or Pally. This could be the xpac I leave my mage behind - but I have no idea if I am any good at it :p I was posting recently about wanting to trying to out but was too chicken

    Wannna tank some runs for me and see :p heheheh

    xxoo
    Dragonray

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    1. Only if you promise not to be a baby and actually LOOT stuff!

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  2. Navi! You did NOT "steal" him from another guild. He approached you. You accepted. End of story.

    HE was the one being incredibly rude by accepting your guild invite, agreeing to the mythic raid, and then jumping ship without having the basic decency to inform you that he was doing so.

    Aaargh!

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    1. Awww Dah <3 trust you to stick up for Navi the underdog! :D

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  3. Naviiiiii...I miss you guys but the current content is too boring...I will be back for sure...Luxy is safe to dps (for now mwhahah)

    Ravz <3

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    1. I can't wait for you to get back. This expansion can't get here fast enough! Don't worry your healing spot will be there when you get back - it's the DPS who have to worry!

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  4. I don't think you were stealing him at all, but it sounds like he was pretty wishy-washy over what he actually wanted in the end. And I really have to say I think he handled it pretty poorly.
    If I were in anything close to your time frame I'd be so tempted to ask to try healing for you sometime! But I haven't even tried healing since the new patch yet. Too chicken. Good luck finding some. :D

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    1. You should come if we do heroic sometime - I think it would be fun and it's not stressful nowadays.

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  5. Can't believe someone would ditch a guild for gold - especially without saying a word. If anything, you don't need a player like that around. That's just... wow! I hope you'll find healers! That's the only role I play and I keep worrying about no longer being needed, haha. Though I don't think we have the numbers for Mythic at the moment. We have people inviting friends --- but I don't think all of them have the required raid awareness (I feel bad for thinking that, but at the same time, if I go through the trouble of watching videos, taking notes and making sure my gear is optimal by going through forums and reading about my class, I sorta wish others would as well)! Guess I'll wait for WoD and see. At least Heroic being more flexible means we can teach people if anything.

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    1. Even his wife said he was a bit of a floozy like that, and said it was bad of him and did I want her to punch him for that? I said nah, because I hadn't really gotten around to relying on him yet, so it wasn't a huge loss, though just a minor irritation really! You should feel free to come to heroic if you're online to try some healing with no stress - after all, these days all the flexible stuff is all for run, right?

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  6. Hai Navi! Good to see things are going well over there!

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    1. Slicey! Miss you online my friend :D

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  7. I don't see it as you "stole" that guy from anywhere. He was not wearing a guild tag, he asked you if you needed a healer, all you did was answer some questions. If you had, lets say, asked him if he wanted to come to heal for you when he was guilded, that would be stealing. But answering the questions of someone that had no guild and was looking is how you recruit people. At least that is how I see it. But your friend was right, if he switched where he was going that fast, and then switched again that fast, I would say he is not someone you want anyway.

    Funny how that healer thing works right? At one point I had 5 healers for one of my 10 man groups and had to work it so I got them all some play time. Now I have a hard time finding 2. Feast or famine. ~shrugs~

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    1. You're right Elf, if he was guilded then I would feel worse for stealing. It's just that he had gone to that run as a trial, and I was there as a friend and though trial doesn't mean recruited, apparently they were keen - I wonder how much gold keen! :D But I don't miss him because I hadn't actually used him so he was still in social status mode to me, but it was a little bit rude - but maybe he felt awkward after just joining, so who knows. And this healer thing... I thought tanks were flakey but seriously healers have less stamina than tanks... literally.

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