tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post158669851836712571..comments2024-02-25T11:19:44.035+11:00Comments on The Daily Frostwolf - Druid Edition: Guildleader chores - Between rocks and hard placesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-26449613042379598452015-08-08T07:39:21.531+10:002015-08-08T07:39:21.531+10:00So we door knocked this boss the other day. And I&...So we door knocked this boss the other day. And I've done many pugs whilst trying to finish my warrior in normal mode.<br /><br />Personally, I'm a minimalist guy. I use grid2 for heals, nothing more. I resisted hard for thogar assist (but got it when I went tank/ranged). I even remember resisting sha of fear assist (but ultimately got it in the end)<br /><br />I understand where people might be coming from. And I've even raided with people who refuse to use dbm/bigwigs/vem. I always take the approach that if you can clearly perform the task without addons, all the power to you.<br /><br />But tons of people can't. Certainly for us, there is a direct correlation between people passing it to the wrong person repeatedly - or holding on for too long - and people who aren't using iskar assist. And God help us for dispels and Interrupts. Wiping at the 2nd add phase constantly because fel bombs go off is *irritating*.<br /><br />Its your Raid/guild. You have epgp (by the sounds of it). Casual guilds aren't doing heroic yet. IMO you were justified in the requirement - its no different to 'be enchanted/gemmed'.<br /><br />I even think what happened after was OK.<br /><br />It's good that you've thought about the event, but I don't really think you've been unreasonable nor unfair.SeeTeehttp://www.onineko.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-90299693843442641902015-08-07T19:22:25.633+10:002015-08-07T19:22:25.633+10:00His answer to that was to argue with me about when...His answer to that was to argue with me about when has he ever wiped a raid because of him not having addons. And he was angry with me when I listed the times he had caused major dramas because of no addons<br /><br />Hilarious! :-)<br /><br />Personally, if I felt that strongly about addons I would have made a mouseover macro to do the same job, maybe even told you I had the addon, then made absolutely sure I didn't f*ck it up.<br /><br />It's a real shame it has ruined a long friendship, it's terrible when temper flare and people make hasty comments and decisions. <br />I really hope you can reconcile.Solahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193184689961780585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-56658915412846243072015-08-07T00:44:26.954+10:002015-08-07T00:44:26.954+10:00What I don't really understand is why /not/ in...What I don't really understand is why /not/ install the addon? Like, it's like a 5 click process through Curse, right? And what's stopping them from just uninstalling the addon when the fight is over?<br />Something as simple as this is not worth leaving a guild that you've been a part of since the start.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-11845602154894240892015-08-06T23:49:03.288+10:002015-08-06T23:49:03.288+10:00I didn't ignore your argument, you spoke with ...I didn't ignore your argument, you spoke with an authority that I didn't recognise. "Because" may be a valid reason for you, and ragequitting a valid reaction, but neither are for me and dare I suggest many people. Certainly enough that your definitive declaration is challengeable.<br /><br />Perhaps you interpreted their reaction a result of being called defiant children? To be clear, nobody said that except for anon above, after the fact. No, it was to being asked to do something innocuous by the GM, refusing, and reacting to the resulting negative reinforcement.Crookedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09793387043739719883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-26568048993244533242015-08-06T22:58:46.988+10:002015-08-06T22:58:46.988+10:00I don't know how I feel about a punishment, bu...I don't know how I feel about a punishment, but they weren't asked to leave the raid, so they still had a chance to work on a new boss with their guildies and use their bonus rolls if they got the kill! Perhaps they weren't given enough time to object prior to the raid, but there was time after the raid to speak about the issue, without interrupting raid time. <br /><br />Outside of the 'I don't need them' argument against add-ons, I don't really know why people refuse to use them. I find the 5 million that add-ons that I use to be quite useful!<br /><br />I hope you will be able to sort things out with Moo on a personal level, if not in game. Luxypiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00263683509777758653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-67212731969283307202015-08-06T21:53:50.578+10:002015-08-06T21:53:50.578+10:00Ignoring and mocking the argument is obviously the...Ignoring and mocking the argument is obviously the way to go then, eh? :p<br /><br />The issue I had wasn't with the fact that people exited the raid, or even how they did so. The issue was that if you say stupid shit like "they didn't have a valid reason" and calling them defiant children for their absolutely valid reactions, then you're incredibly rude and it's a great way to persuade them that you are not worth being around.<br /><br />In your analogy, if you are swimming happily in the pool and the owners decide that suddenly no, you have to wear flippers if you want to keep using the pool, you have to have a warped view of the world to call those who don't want to wear flippers, and who choose to leave rather than do so, "defiant children".Dahakhahttp://starfiredbeef.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-26205406209110895532015-08-06T20:52:17.754+10:002015-08-06T20:52:17.754+10:00Let's be absolutely clear: saying "Let...Let's be absolutely clear: saying "Let's be absolutely clear" does not add any weight to your argument. :p<br /><br />The pool owners set the pool rules, they are there for everyone's enjoyment. You can choose to ignore them, but you surrender your rights to use it when you do. Doesn't mean you piss in the pool.Crookedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09793387043739719883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-24286993972228096062015-08-06T18:54:14.585+10:002015-08-06T18:54:14.585+10:00Moving forward Dah and just trying to be a better ...Moving forward Dah and just trying to be a better person, that's all I can try to do!Navimiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08504557372435466448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-42139534466535693602015-08-06T18:53:54.567+10:002015-08-06T18:53:54.567+10:00We have since changed the approach to "we'...We have since changed the approach to "we'd appreciate if you'd try it because we think it's great and give us feedback about what you don't like about it." The penalty thing was a dumb idea on my part - an unfortunate blowback to me being a parent with 2 young children.Navimiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08504557372435466448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-38840320127526834772015-08-06T18:40:45.869+10:002015-08-06T18:40:45.869+10:00Let's be absolutely clear: "I don't w...Let's be absolutely clear: "I don't want to use/install an addon" IS a valid excuse. As soon as you start telling me that I have to play a certain way, you're going to get pushback. Obviously a few of Navi's guildmates felt the same way.Dahakhahttp://starfiredbeef.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-51012343587447667852015-08-06T18:35:50.146+10:002015-08-06T18:35:50.146+10:00Yikes. I hope you can work things out without furt...Yikes. I hope you can work things out without further drama, Navi. Good luck!Dahakhahttp://starfiredbeef.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139205590317840868.post-63925690097460978522015-08-06T15:32:50.837+10:002015-08-06T15:32:50.837+10:00Your guild and raid group might be casual but that...Your guild and raid group might be casual but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be rules and requirements. Surely voice chat is a requirement, how is that any different to an addon? I probably would have taken a 'no addons = no raid' stance rather than a punishment within the point system. From what I have seen of many casual guild applications, addons are a minimum requirement.<br /><br />It seems like nobody actually had a valid reason for not using the addon regardless of how they exited the raid. Rather, they were just being defiant children trying to push Mommy's boundaries. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com